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Wednesday, March 22, 2006

Dems disrespect Feingold

Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) has introduced a measure to censure the president for illegal domestic spying. Feingold’s Democrat senate colleagues are not backing him up, some saying that more investigation is necessary. I’m not sure why that is, since Bush already admitted what he did in his Dec. 17, 2005 radio address:

"…I authorized the National Security Agency…to intercept the international communications of people with known links to al Qaeda and related terrorist organizations…This is a highly classified program…it was clear that terrorists inside the United States were communicating with terrorists abroad before the September the 11th attacks…The authorization I gave the National Security Agency after September the 11th helped address that problem…."

This is illegal and contradicts what he said Apr. 20, 2004 in Buffalo, NY:

"Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires--a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution."

This censure resolution is a good litmus test for Democrat senators. If they don’t support it, Democrat voters need to throw them out, or better yet, switch to the Green Party.


At Fri Mar 24, 02:27:00 AM CST, Blogger Sheryl said...

Probably because they think Hillary Clinton is going to win the nomination. I won't be turning Green anytime soon, but it is damn cynical of them.

Hillary sucks!!! If she is the nominee, I don't know what I will do. I might hold my nose and vote for her, but I might just move to Canada.

At Fri Mar 24, 01:54:00 PM CST, Blogger Tom Cleland said...

I'm surprised you don't like her either. Is it because of this censure resolution, NAFTA, emissions, or something else?

Also, on that first Bush quote, I know I put in a lot of ellipses (...), but my point remains that his confession is in there, he just sprinkles in a lot of rhetoric that makes it hard to find.

At Sat Mar 25, 01:48:00 PM CST, Blogger Ted Wong said...

You know I said I was moving to Canada when W. won this last time. And then the reality set in, . . . it's too hard to move.

At Sat Mar 25, 06:02:00 PM CST, Blogger Tom Cleland said...

That's ok, we need you here to fight those in power, especially in Ohio. If you're speaking out against voter fraud in Ohio, I'd say you're on the front line of the battle of good vs. evil!

At Sun Mar 26, 01:46:00 AM CST, Blogger Sheryl said...

The reason I hate Hillary is because A) she has been schmoozing with conservatives B) she voted for the war when she knew it was wrong purely for political ends C) she voted for the Patriot Act purely for political ends.

She has been letting the country go to hell with little resistance in hopes that a political backlash will propel her into office.

Also, she and Bill pushed Wesley Clark in the last election to undermine Howard Dean because they knew if Howard Dean got elected that she would not get to run for President in 2008.

She just keeps compromising this country for her own political power and objectives, and I have no respect for that.

Russ Feingold for President!!!!!! That's my candidate. In fact, the sign in sheets for our conventions have a place for political preference, and most people put undecided in non-Presidential years, but today I put Feingold as my presidential choice. I am starting early. I know who I want, and he's going to run. And apparently he's going to be in Austin on the 18th of April, so I am going to go clap for him. :-)

At Sun Mar 26, 06:40:00 PM CST, Blogger Tom Cleland said...

I just hope you guys don't get the old switcheroo: New people get excited and join the party, there's a media massacre like the "Dean Scream," Feingold falls short, and then you all hold your noses and vote for Hillary. We have similar risks in Minnesota with Ford Bell for U.S. Senate, and Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer for U.S. House. The real test is, will these progressives endorse the Greens, Michael Cavlan for U.S. Senate and Jay Pond for U.S. House, if the Dems again nominate conservatives?

At Sun Mar 26, 11:24:00 PM CST, Blogger Sheryl said...

Well, why don't you Greens support Fengold too? If the Greens and the progressive dems were on the same side for once, then we really could kick Hillary's ass. The problem is we are always fighting each other instead of the Republicans. Don't you like Feingold too? He really is very progressive.

He voted against the war, the patriot act. Has worked on campaign finance reform for years. He's going around supporting progressive candidates. Went on a limb to censure Bush. Come on, Tom. You know he's an excellent candidate. Get on my side this time, so I don't have to hold my nose and vote for Hillary.

At Mon Mar 27, 05:34:00 PM CST, Blogger Tom Cleland said...

It's true, Feingold is a progressive in the Wellstone mold. But would he endorse a Green if he fell short? I think not. He would hold his nose and vote for Hillary and tell you to do the same. I long for the day when Dems walk out of their convention, like the U.S. Progressive Party walked out of the Republican convention in 1912. Now that would be awesome. Tell those establishment sellouts that they can go to hell!

At Tue Mar 28, 01:26:00 AM CST, Blogger Renegade Eye said...

Hillary always disliked Feingold. She hated that he mocked taking PAC money.

As of now it looks like McCain-Rice VS Hillary-Obama

At Tue Mar 28, 02:23:00 AM CST, Blogger Sheryl said...

It's not too late to support Russ, Tom! ;-) Peer pressure, peer pressure. :-)

At Tue Mar 28, 03:33:00 PM CST, Blogger Tom Cleland said...

I agree with Renegade. I'll be shocked if Feingold gets the nomination. The powers that be simply will not allow it.

At Tue Mar 28, 06:05:00 PM CST, Blogger Ted Wong said...

The one thing I regret about moving from MN is the political scene. Once you've been in a conservative environment you really know how bass akwards things can be. You keep talking about voter fraud in Ohio but I'm thinking W. really won this state judging by all the B.S. that goes down here. When I was in MN I don't remember ever seeing people proudly displaying confederate flags. Or being in an area that was 60% Republican
(and that's on a college campus ! ! !).

At Tue Mar 28, 08:24:00 PM CST, Blogger Tom Cleland said...

They still have those there? I've observed some rare racism and questionable crap, but I'd say confederate flags are extremely rare here.

At Wed Mar 29, 08:36:00 AM CST, Blogger 1138 said...

If Hillary ends up being the nominee I will do the only thing left to me.
SPOIL MY BALLOT ad advise everyone else to do the same

How do you spoil an electronic ballot you say?

You vote for no one and nothing on any issue, proposition, race or candidate.

Totally empty.

And I'll stand in line all day to do it if need be.

At Thu Mar 30, 06:48:00 PM CST, Blogger Tom Cleland said...

1138, I’m not sure if your message will be heard, but it’s one way to protest the current system. At least with losing candidates, though, you’re still FOR something, with the idea of boosting their percentages, increasing legitimacy, and setting up a critical mass for the next election cycle.

Ted, I told Michael Cavlan about all the Republicans you’ve seen in Ohio. He said he was thinking of Lucas, Erie, Hocking, and Seneca counties. Also Dori, his campaign manager, pointed out that Kerry won in the exit polls, and those have always been pretty accurate.

At Sat Apr 01, 08:03:00 PM CST, Blogger Sheryl said...

It would be bettter to just get behind Feingold so we don't need all these contingency plans.

Come on, don't let previous elections spoil how you behave in this one. What is needed is momentum and enthusiasm!!!!

Otherwise, we really are licked!!!

Don't push me into the cheerleader role. ;-)

At Mon Apr 03, 06:06:00 PM CDT, Blogger Tom Cleland said...

I am offended by the phrase, "get behind." I find it degrading.

At Mon Apr 10, 01:56:00 PM CDT, Blogger Sheryl said...

With so many real things to be disturbed about, I think maybe you are splitting hairs there, Tom.

But if you want to indignant over my choice of wording, by all means, go right ahead. But don't be surprised if I don't lose any sleep over it.

At Tue Apr 11, 06:55:00 PM CDT, Blogger Tom Cleland said...

Please see my "Scuffler in Chief" Apr. 11 comment.


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